august -- is it possible to get a deal before then? we have six days, basically. b, if it is possible, what does it look like? do the boehner and reid plan somehow merge into something that gets to somewhere on lowering our debt? >> as much as it looks like people have gone to their corners, i'm told that the senior level negotiators, the staffers who are experts in these areas, are, in fact, still talking. democrats and republicans, looking for a way to kind of find an answer on what they consider the trigger. and by that, i mean if you're going to have a chunk of debt ceiling increased for the next year or so, what would you have to do to get the next piece. the republicans want to see another vote. democrats don't. so is there some common ground they can find there? now, just in terms of the rules, joe, when you were here, you probably knew that better than me. i find there's a new rule all the time that can make something go faster if we really want to. but we don't know exactly how it's going to happen.